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81. Sticky:Dev blog: Researching, the Future - in EVE Information Portal [original thread]
Weaselior wrote: LHA Tarawa wrote: Weaselior wrote: unsuprisingly, no matter how many times LHA points out that fire is wet and water burns, ccp does not take his advice let us ponder why that is If there is a flaw in someone data or ...
- by LHA Tarawa - at 2014.05.09 15:34:00
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82. Sticky:Dev blog: Researching, the Future - in EVE Information Portal [original thread]
Weaselior wrote: rounding error, rounding error and irrelevant as you can't research, rare edge case but mostly rounding error, made in such huge batches unless you're a crazy person that the issue does not exist I disagree that moving the c...
- by LHA Tarawa - at 2014.05.09 15:29:00
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83. Sticky:Dev blog: Researching, the Future - in EVE Information Portal [original thread]
I am forced to wonder what the goons are gaining from this obviously flawed re-design of research that is making them so dismissive of its obvious flaws (oh, it broke capital construction, rmoves the ability to partial % research, screws people ov...
- by LHA Tarawa - at 2014.05.09 15:25:00
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84. Sticky:Dev blog: Researching, the Future - in EVE Information Portal [original thread]
Weaselior wrote: unsuprisingly, no matter how many times LHA points out that fire is wet and water burns, ccp does not take his advice let us ponder why that is If there is a flaw in someone data or logic, critics attack those flaws. When ...
- by LHA Tarawa - at 2014.05.09 15:18:00
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85. Sticky:Dev blog: Researching, the Future - in EVE Information Portal [original thread]
Weaselior wrote: (which really come into play only in capital construction, virtually every other time you're dealing with something so cheap the extra part is a rounding error) And rigs and T2 and POS structure and POS Fuel and..... It is...
- by LHA Tarawa - at 2014.05.09 15:14:00
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86. Sticky:Dev blog: Researching, the Future - in EVE Information Portal [original thread]
So, up to this point, we've been focused on how the changes will effect newer players, with 4-5x as long to get a BPO to sub 1% waste. Well..... I hope it didn't slip past anyone, but if I understand correctly, the hacks they "tossed in" over the...
- by LHA Tarawa - at 2014.05.09 13:04:00
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87. Sticky:Dev blog: Researching, the Future - in EVE Information Portal [original thread]
Quintessen wrote: But coming in at the end not knowing all the considerations they're making and the hard trade-off and stating that their thing is crap, they should throw it all away, and instead use your thing reeks of arrogance Guilty...
- by LHA Tarawa - at 2014.05.08 23:50:00
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88. Sticky:Dev blog: Researching, the Future - in EVE Information Portal [original thread]
Quintessen wrote: - The 4-5x on research time is a problem. CCP can address that. - The instant improvement to perfect is only a problem to a limited audience who likely have already profited from their high-ME BPOs. - These are two very diffe...
- by LHA Tarawa - at 2014.05.08 21:03:00
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89. Sticky:Dev blog: Researching, the Future - in EVE Information Portal [original thread]
Promiscuous Female wrote: it's not a requirement of an argument to continually re-assert your opinion in every single communique the opinion doesn't get stale or anything Which, if I recall, is: 1) Screwing over people that spent a lot of ...
- by LHA Tarawa - at 2014.05.08 20:43:00
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90. Sticky:Dev blog: Researching, the Future - in EVE Information Portal [original thread]
MailDeadDrop wrote: Anyone know the whereabouts of CCP Nullarbor and CCP Greyscale? It's been over a week since they've posted anything in this thread. Did they suffer some unfortunate demise at Fanfest 2014? MDD My guess is that they didn'...
- by LHA Tarawa - at 2014.05.08 20:31:00
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91. Sticky:Dev blog: Researching, the Future - in EVE Information Portal [original thread]
Shoogie wrote: Keep the existing ME levels and research times. Use the UI to distract people from the ME number. But 1/2, 1/3, 1/4, 1/5... is too complicated for users.. It has to be replace with 1/10, 2/10, 3/10... Who cares if we screw ...
- by LHA Tarawa - at 2014.05.08 20:20:00
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92. Sticky:Dev blog: Researching, the Future - in EVE Information Portal [original thread]
Weaselior wrote: LHA Tarawa wrote: And explain it to me in real simple terms, because with only a 140 IQ, I seem unable to understand how screwing people over is a good thing. ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah...
- by LHA Tarawa - at 2014.05.08 20:05:00
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93. Sticky:Dev blog: Researching, the Future - in EVE Information Portal [original thread]
Weaselior wrote: unsuprisingly you are unable to grasp my arguments (much like you are unable to grasp the changes) Unable to grasp your argument? I'm using your own words. One of the best things about the change is how if f's over the peop...
- by LHA Tarawa - at 2014.05.08 19:18:00
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94. Sticky:Dev blog: Researching, the Future - in EVE Information Portal [original thread]
Babbet Bunny wrote: Love the change, not that the math was complicated, but that others were too lazy to calculate. And all that calculation is still there, because the complication is, and always has been, and will still be, the rounding i...
- by LHA Tarawa - at 2014.05.08 16:43:00
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95. Sticky:Dev blog: Researching, the Future - in EVE Information Portal [original thread]
Weaselior wrote: LHA Tarawa wrote: You fail to address the main concerns. 1) Round up of every ME10 to perfect. 2) Drastically longer research times for newer players. 3) Still massive complexity in the new system due to rounding. 4) Makes ...
- by LHA Tarawa - at 2014.05.08 16:40:00
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96. Sticky:Dev blog: Researching, the Future - in EVE Information Portal [original thread]
Promiscuous Female wrote: this whole thread could benefit from a healthy dose of the KISS principle keep it simple, stupid But we can't use fractions of a unit of tripped power circuit or capital armor plate, which creates rounding, which ...
- by LHA Tarawa - at 2014.05.08 15:25:00
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97. Sticky:Dev blog: Researching, the Future - in EVE Information Portal [original thread]
Weaselior wrote: [you keep citing increasingly narrow edge cases as a reason to completely ignore the changes and implement a reskinning of the old system (which will not require you to alter your spreadsheets one bit) but now we are left with ...
- by LHA Tarawa - at 2014.05.08 15:18:00
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98. Sticky:Dev blog: Researching, the Future - in EVE Information Portal [original thread]
I just don't understand what is "good" about the proposed changes. Is it good that every BPO at ME 10 is being made perfect, wiping out the advantage of people that spent much longer researching? Is it good that new players will emo-rage at hav...
- by LHA Tarawa - at 2014.05.08 15:05:00
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99. Sticky:Dev blog: Researching, the Future - in EVE Information Portal [original thread]
Weaselior wrote: LHA Tarawa wrote: The "easy to understand" 0-10% reduction is a LIE, that really only applies to BPOs that need 100+ items, and the complication is still there for items that need more.. it is just a manual calculation rath...
- by LHA Tarawa - at 2014.05.08 14:51:00
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100. Sticky:Dev blog: Researching, the Future - in EVE Information Portal [original thread]
Weaselior wrote: also: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=342096&p=14 CCP Nullarbor wrote: Confirming the new Industry will not do any material rounding until AFTER we multiply by the number of runs, meaning mate...
- by LHA Tarawa - at 2014.05.08 14:45:00
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